Radcliffe, Manchester-June 2010
Location of Sighting: Radcliffe, Manchester
Date of Sighting: June 2010
Time: 2.30pm
Witness Name: Grant Seddon
Witness Statement: Just looked out of the window and noticed a plane flying low overhead, when i noticed a dark grey circle to the left. I kept watching the “flying saucer”, it stayed in the same for about a minute and then started to move at great speed for a split second and then stopped, this happened about 9 – 10 times. At this time i went outside to have a closer look, i watched this object for another 5 minutes. Then it shot off towards Manchester at a speed i couldn’t believe flying through the cloud .
+ This happened during the day.
+ It moved at speeds of excess of 5000mph.
+ It was saucer shaped. Dark Grey in colour.
+ It was silent.
+ Aprox 1000 ft in altitude.
I can only assume this ufo was either an alien craft or a “black ops drone” as no man on earth could withstand the g-force at which the craft moved.
Source: www.uk-ufo.co.uk
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January 7th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Grant, excuse my scepticism but your sighting was some time in June 2010 and yet you remember the time?
January 7th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Please explain how you can judge something travelling at 5000 MPH and also how you judge altitude (1000 ft)or meters?
January 7th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
5000 mph?!? Why no sonic boom? It was making split-second movements and you were able to assess its speed?!? Last but not least, no photo despite the alleged length of the sighting. “Black Ops drone” sounds like something in an Xbox game.Hmmm.
January 7th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Could you please tell me you’re qualifications/job to determine thar specific height and speed?
January 8th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Interesting Grant; how did you work out that speed?
January 8th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Interesting sighting Grant. A couple of questions
1. How did you know it was 1000 agl?
2. How did you know it was flying at 5000mph? 83.33 miles a minute – yes the G forces would be enormous
3. How big was it? – You said it was a drone?
4. Why the wait to record it?
January 8th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Gary…..I had a sighting 14 years ago. It happened at 10.45pm! If ever you are lucky enough to have one yourself, you’ll remember the time!
January 8th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Very interesting sighting Grant! Thanks for sharing it with us and please do not be put off posting on here if you see anything else. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you do, because once you’ve seen one, you’ll probably find yourself looking at the sky, every chance you get…..and there’s plenty out there!
January 9th, 2013 at 10:10 am
the silence is deafening folks, methinks grant has droned off !
January 9th, 2013 at 11:40 am
This is the only black ops drone I’m aware of
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter_Killer_Drone
January 9th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Caz, you misunderstand. He remembers the time but not the exact date, which I do find strange. Had it been the other way around, I would have said yeah ok. And why so long reporting?
January 10th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Gary…Please don’t think I’m having a ‘go’ at you because I’m not, but going from my own experiences, I could only give you the date of ‘one’ of my sightings and that’s only because it was in the opening minutes of a New Year! Even the one I saw recently with my grandson…I haven’t got a clue what the date was, but I ‘can’ tell you the time [within a few minutes anyway] because I was waiting for my daughter who was due to arrive home from work any minute! I believe the reason I could at least an approximate ‘time’ for all of my sightings, is only because ‘I remember what I was doing at the time they occurred’! I think this is what people are most likely to remember!
January 13th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Ok, you’ve convinced me, but I still don’t understand why it’s taken so long to see the light of day. I’m also struggling with the black ops drone analogy. Also at 5000mph, it would be creating sonic booms – 9 or 10, allegedly. Unless “they” have found a way to overcome this, of course, with their advanced technology!
January 22nd, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Gary….To be honest, I wouldn’t have a clue what speeds ‘in excess of 5000 mph’ would even look like! I wonder if it’s so fast, that an object could appear to ‘blink out of existence’ before ‘reappearing’ in another part of the sky! It makes me wonder if that could have happened…Hmmm! If I had emoticons now, I’d be rubbing my chin! Maybe Grant will come back and tell us!
January 23rd, 2013 at 8:59 am
Caz,
Maybe it passed behind a cloud? perhaps the sun’s light rendered it invisible for a moment? The thing is, you have to consider these things sensibly: objects can’t disappear then reappear somewhere else- this isn’t Star Trek. Therefore, you look for a sensible explanation.
January 24th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Steve T. You are obviously familiar with Star Trek which is fiction. This is a site where people can post their sightings about ‘real’ objects they have seen in our skies. If UFOs really do exist, then who knows what their capabilities are? Giving that none of us do, then surely the ‘sensible’ thing, is to consider ‘all’ possibilities, unless of course, you know more than the rest of us!
January 24th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Maybe he won’t, Caz, don’t you know it? Reckon he’s had his fun
January 25th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Well maybe Gary, but then again…..maybe he just got P’d off with the negative comments! I’m sure that happens to loads of people!
January 25th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Caz,
UFO’s do exist; they are objects flying in the sky that are not immediately identifiable by the observer. This doesn’t make them alien, from another world, or from another dimension: it simply means the observer could not state correctly what they are. The sensible option is, without doubt, to consider the logical one (to paraphrase Spock) which is that any object flying within our atmosphere is far more likely to have originated here than billions of miles away in another place/time/dimension. We are, after all, pretty familiar down here with physics. I don’t, and don’t claim to, know more than the rest of you, I’m simply looking at things without reference to dodgy sci-fi or cod-scientific analogies.
January 28th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Therefore Caz, if we don’t say wow what a brilliant sighting Grant, I’m sure you’ve seen something extraterrestrial, that’s the last we’ll hear of him? Why are people who profess to have seen a UFO so precious? Surely, if you have the gall to post the sighting in the first place, you ought to be prepared to discuss it?
January 29th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Thank you Steve, but I ‘do’ know the definition of a UFO! However, unlike you apparently, I ‘do’ believe in aliens! That does not mean to say that I think all UFOs are piloted by aliens, in fact, I’m well aware that they aren’t, but I do believe that that some of them are!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Gary….Nobody expects you to get all ‘gushy’ or to treat anyone as ‘precious’, but if you read your first comment, [Grant, excuse my scepticism], you appear to be calling Grant a liar, based solely on the fact that he could remember the time, but not the exact date! Faced with such a hostile reception, is it really any wonder that some people don’t come back? I don’t think I would either!
January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
Caz,
I’m not sure where you get the idea I don’t ‘believe’ in aliens; I’m well aware that the likelihood is we are not alone in the universe. My over-riding problem is that, while I have seen flying craft that I could not identify (and I’m a bit of an aeroplane geek) there is absolutely no logic in assuming that, as I could not identify it, it came from outer space. I have looked at my sightings very carefully, and cannot rule out the possibility of them originating on Earth (especially as one of them, which I have described on here, was spotted on the ground at a military airbase). Until I can rule out earth origins – and why should I, after all? – it has to be assumed that what I saw was built by humans. It’s the ‘UFO fans’ who are all too eager to state that every unusual sighting must be alien in origin. Why? I give you the legendary T Wood who, in response to a relatively innocuous report on here, responded that it was most likely a ‘probe from a mother ship’; that sort of ridiculous comment, written without even the slightest consideration of pilotless drones, radio controlled aircraft and other possibilities, is absurd in the extreme. Another problem I have is this: why assume that other life forms are more advanced than us?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:17 pm
All i can do is report what i saw. I remember the time as it was early afternoon, i don’t remember the exact date as this happened so long ago. I was estimating the speed (could have been faster or slower, i’m no expert). About not hearing a sonic boom – if you can travel across space or through other dimensions, i think making a craft which will not create a boom will be childs play. I didnt have a camera so i couldn’t take ant pictures. The report is what i saw, i’m no expert, but what i saw is what i have said what happened. I’m no liar and i only reported this to let people know that something strange was flying in the area.
I know what aircraft look like as they fly over Radcliffe when landing at Manchester Airport, i have also seen Chinooks, lanterns and balloons. This was saucer shaped and moved at great speeds, it was a clear blue sky.
I don’t care if people think i’m lying, if you don’t believe me it says to me that you have not seen a UFO.
Again, what i saw is a UFO, Unidentified Fying Object, could be alien or could be terrestrial. I don’t know.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Just one last comment, when i said black ops drones, black ops meaning a aircraft of human engineering built by the airforce, CIA or whoever. The Stealth Fighter was a black ops operation.
February 1st, 2013 at 11:13 am
Steve, I’m glad to hear that your mind is open to the ‘possibility’, but I’m not sure that counts as ‘belief’, but at least, it doesn’t really count as ‘disbelief’ either! I have studied the alien subject ever since my teens and I wouldn’t like to tell you how many decades ago that was, but it’s a very long time! The ‘proof’ is out there Steve and it’s overwhelming! This is a wonderful site where people can report their strange sightings and get them commented on and even explained at times, but it will teach you nothing! Go listen to among others, the top brass military…..the intelligence officers…..the astronauts and the scientists too. Roswell is a good place to look….That was ‘real’, as was Rendelsham. Listen to what Col. Holt has to say about that! You’re right of course, not to assume that the things you have seen came from anywhere else but this planet, but if your mind ir truly open, perhaps it’s better not to assume ‘anything’…either way! Not even the one on the ground! It wouldn’t be the first time an alien craft has been parked on a military base!
As for your question “Why assume that other life forms are more advanced than us?” Because the likelyhood that they are is immense, given how young our beautiful planet is for one thing at least! ‘They’ could be millions of years ahead of us…..maybe even billions! At best, we are as babies! Hell, we’re still not really sure who built the pyramids or why!
February 1st, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Hi Steve,
With regards your comments above “I’m well aware that the likelihood is we are not alone in the universe”, if we take it a stage further, & consider how our technology has moved on in the last 100 years, & how old the universe is, & scientists/physicics tell us there are more stars/planets than there are grains of sand on our planet. If I’m right, & you accept that there could be other life forms, would you entertain the idea that it’s possible that there could be civilisactions out there that could be more advanced than us?.
February 1st, 2013 at 8:44 pm
The problem is, and I know exactly where Steve T is coming from, some of the UFO fraternity is far too willing to accept sightings as gospel. This one sounds like a scene from a sci-fi movie. I think scepticism is healthy, especially in the case of “extreme” sightings like this and the Anniesland account. Always be wary of charlatans as well as debunkers
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:49 am
Caz,
I’m sorry but it’s comments like this – “Hell, we’re still not really sure who built the pyramids or why!” – that make me roll my eyes. We know exactly who built the pyramids, how and why. It’s not a mystery at all. Furthermore – “Roswell is a good place to look….That was ‘real’, as was Rendelsham.” There’s absolutely no evidence that a spacecraft crashed at Roswell, not one bit. There’s a great deal of myth about it, which I’m sure you would have discovered if you kept an open mind and researched the subject. As for Rendlesham, I’ve studied it closely, and it’s full of contradictions. Top brass, military, astronauts, great, they all see things they can’t explain: does that amount to ‘proof’ of alien life? It doesn’t add up.
February 6th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Steve, there are no witnesses to tell us how the pyramids were built and no proof….only theories! There are lots of good, credible witnesses to tell us what happened at both Roswell and Rendlesham, but if you’d rather believe in a weather balloon or that some idiotic soldier decided to shine his car headlights into the sky in freezing weather for three nights in a row for a lark, on a ‘military [nuclear] facility’ without getting caught?? or maybe it was that lighthouse…..the one that had been there for decades…..and you say ‘I’ should keep an open mind? Hmmmm! You obviously didn’t listen to Col. Holt! Oh well, I’ll stick with my first thought! I don’t think you’ll ever believe in aliens, even if you fall over one! I’m done!
February 8th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Caz,
There’s plenty of evidence as to how the pyramids are built; because we are not ABSOLUTELY sure how they managed to haul the blocks into place – and that really is the only ‘mystery’ – does not invite the question as to ‘who’ built them, and ‘why’; it’s well known which pharoah instigated the building of which pyramid (there are hundreds) and when; status was very important to them. As for me ‘never believing in aliens’(and this can answer Chris too) I’m not sure where you get that idea; i’ve stated quite clearly that I accept the likelihood of other life forms in the universe- and that they could be more advanced than us – but until someone gives me actual, documented evidence that we are being visited I remain on the right side of sensible. Given that the conditions needed for us to exist were a very rare occurrence, the likelihood of intelligent alien life has to be considered carefully. Roswell is so full of holes and conjecture – and urban myth – that it’s far removed from ‘evidence’ and the weather balloon theory is far from implausible, and while I admit the Rendelsham incident is intriguing, investigators have looked very closely at the evidence and explained a lot of the alternative theories. Again, it is not ‘evidence’ of fact. The problem here, Caz, and I mean not to insult you, is that you WANT to believe in aliens; i’m indifferent – 20 years ago I was like you, and devoured books, films and everything I could on the subject, Now, I’m a little wiser.
February 10th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Steve….How can you possibly say “There’s plenty of evidence as to how the pyramids are built…..” and “we are not ABSOLUTELY sure how they managed to haul the blocks into place…” in the same sentence and still claim that ‘we know’ how they were built? Surely the ‘hauling of the blocks into place’ is the very act of ‘building’and the very thought that they were hauled up ramps with ropes is hilarious! A few years back, there was a programme on TV about a team of modern day engineers who were challenged to recreate Stonehenge, using only the tools that would have been available to the original builders. Guess what? They couldn’t do it! Now…getting back to the pyramids….Why did the pharoahs want them built….as mere tombs? Why then the ‘exact’ alignment with stars? How did they even manage to do that? Imagine all those people spending decades hauling those giant blocks up ramps with ropes and finally arriving at the top, only to find that the calculations were out by an inch? to be cont…..
February 11th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Steve…..You also said that “Given that the conditions needed for us to exist were a very rare occurence…” Who told you that? The scientists? How would they even ‘know’ that…..apart from on Earth that is, when, apart from a few, they don’t even know what other planets there are out there? They’re not even sure how many other universes are out there, but what they ‘do’ know for sure, is that there’s more than one! Haven’t they just discovered a few other planets that are similar to Earth? But that’s not to say that planets that are ‘not’ similar to ours could not sustain life because they haven’t got what we’ve got! Even on this planet there is such a diversity of life, that there are creatures living in extreme enviroments that we humans could not endure, i.e. the tiny creatures that live in boiling water in the deepest part of our oceans. Is it such a big step to far therefore to consider that ‘different’ enviroments can sustain ‘different’ lifeforms? I think it would be nothing short of a miracle if we were the only intelligent lifeform in existence! I’d really like to say more about Roswell and Rendlesham, but I feel I’d be wasting my time! I think it’s best if you and I just agree to disagree! So Steve, you stay on your side of ‘sensible’ and I’ll stay on mine! Oh, just one more thing….UFO books?….I reckon I’ve read probably less than a dozen!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Caz,
Yes, the scientists are my reference; for life – intelligent, able life such as ours and the animals we share our planet with – to evolve requires a very specific set of circumstances. This isn’t conjecture, it’s fact, and I’m sure you’re aware of that. No, it’s not a big step to consider that different lifeforms could be sustained in different environments – in fact, it’s pure logic – but it is a big step to assert, as some do, that every unexplained occurence is due to inter-dimensional travellers! Roswell you can say all you like – there is no evidence of a crashed UFO – and as for rendlesham, if you’re going by Col. Holts testimony (which, I’m sure you know, came many years after the incident) it doesn’t tally in the slightest with the eyewitnesses on the night, or his report back then. His credibility is limited – he even gets the dates wrong, for heavens sake – and he makes claims that were never even mentioned at the time. Try this: go to the site (I have, but not at night – I know some who have for a TV report) and align yourself with the forest as they did on the two (not three – nothing happened on the second night) nights of the occurence, and look at the flashes of the lighthouse for yourself; it is very bright, very vivid. Which begs the question: Holt and his men saw one flashing light; they should – of course- have seen two: the lighthouse, and the UFO.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Hi Caz,
Missed your first post about the pyramids etc. Before we go there, you mention a documentary about Stonehenge and the failure to make it work. I can’t understand how they failed – it’s been done many times. No matter how big a stone is it can be moved with enough force. Raising into position isn’t much of a problem – perhaps those on the documentary forgot to dig the hole first. It’s all about physics, and common sense.
Pyramids – yes, they were tombs, with each builder wanting one bigger and better than the last. As for the alignment to the stars, two things: 1) there are hundreds of pyramids, and only a few have any astronomical significance; 2) there are none that line up ‘exactly’ (how could they when the stars would have been in different relative positions all those years ago) and those that do, why not? These were not – contrary to popular belief – stupid people; they studied the stars, which were intrinsic to their religions, and were well versed in the movement of bodies in the universe.
Sometimes ‘mysteries’ are propogated by ignorance; i’m not calling you ignorant, you are clearly interested in such subjects, but it often pays to look beyond the common misconceptions.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Hi Steve T,
I’m not really sure that “Caz wants to believe”, as you know
with this phenonemen, we seem to fall on one of two sides, I’m with Caz on this. It appears that the majority of people couldn’t give a toss what’s going on in the skys. We seem to be ‘wired’ differently and the net result is the ‘non believer’ saying NO, NO, NO, it’s not possible, and the ‘believer’ being open to the possibility of E.T either through sightings they experience, or books ect, or maybe
because that’s the way we are wired.
You surprise me when you say 20 years ago you “devoured”
all the info available, but now you are a “little wiser”
without being disrespectfull Steve, you must have read some intriging stories that made you think really hard about what
was going on, yet somehow you seem to have shut down that inquiring mind that you had 20 years ago.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Chris,
Why is it, because I’m not instantly accepting every sighting as being alien in origin, I have ‘shut down that inquiring mind’? It is constantly annoying to people who are interested in the subject of UFO’s (and the other esoteric subjects Caz and I have been discussing) yet, because they approach it from a rational angle – i.e. trying to eliminate earthly answers before going ‘wow, this is amazing, it’ got to be inter dimensional beings’ – are dismissed as ‘non-believers’ and ‘debunkers’? I’m wiser now because I read not only the sensational reports – for example ‘Alien craft captured at Roswell’, ‘UFO crashes in Berwyn Mountains’, ‘UFO targets USAF bases’ – and accept them as they are labelled; I look at the other reports, those by investigators who look closely at the facts, access reports, visit the sites, and actually take the time to think about what it could have been, and what it could not. That’s how I know that there’s no evidence of an alien craft landing at Roswell; that the Berwyn mountains ufo crash was nothing of the sort, and the Rendlesham was most likely the Orford Ness lighthouse. Quite why thse conclusions should be more incredible than the appearance of an extra terrestrial craft I do not know. It’s interesting that this particular report has incited such a passionate debate; I sense Caz’s great interest in the various subjects we have discussed – and yours too – but you forget what I’ve mentioned several time before: I have witnessed ‘UFO’s’ – strange objects I could not identify flying in our atmosphere in both cases, and one on teh ground which was clearly an unofficial military craft, yet you dismiss me as a non-believer? I believe, I’m just not convinced they are alien craft. I disagree with your believer and non-believer dissemination: there are believers who are simply deluded – such as T. Wood – and those who are open minded. There are non-believers, too.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Hi Steve T,
With reference the infamous’Rendleshem incident’, the following are statements from Rendleshem residents taken from the BBC3 documentry.
Gary Collins “about 11.30pm, going home I saw the bright light. I pulled over & it was just hovering there, & obviously you have to get your eyes used to the light. I could see the front, triangular shape with the portholes underneath. It went from zero to a terrific speed, over me & into the forest”.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Ann Hopton-Scott.
“I was coming back from Woodbridge, when suddenly I saw a very bright moving object. It followed the road as it curved
it came up & went straight over my car with a terrific swish”
Julia Abbot.
“We came down to feed the ponies, & it came across, it was kind of oval shaped with cone shaped lights all around the edge of whatever it was, & it light up the whole field across there, & the thing was we had six ponies in the field & not one of them stirred, it was just sort of uncanny, it was weird”
Does that sound like a “lighthouse” to you Steve?
February 13th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Jerry Harris.
“We came home, it was just after midnight, and, er, I said to hear, look at those lights, the lights went backwards & forwards, up & down, & two of them eventually dissapeared
over the horizon”
February 14th, 2013 at 9:24 am
So Steve…..You take the word of these ‘investigators’ and ignore the witnesses, no matter how credible? Why do you think all those people would lie? There were dozens of witnesses to Rendlesham! No wonder the ‘powers that be’ find it so easy to cover these thing up! Are we really so gullible?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Chris…..I hate to say this sweetie, but you’re wasting your breath!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Chris,
yet the military, at the time of the incident, and in the taped real-time transcript, mention nothing of the sort? No craft, no swishing sound, no triangular object with portholes? None of these – in fact, nothing like them, were seen by Col Holt and his men on either of the two nights in question; doesn’t that make you wonder why? I mean, you clearly have an open mind – you’re also clearly intelligent – yet the contrast between the military report (of the time), Holts much later wildly embellished affidavit of later, and these witness reports – also later – doesn’t make you sceptical? Locals were interviewed who confirmed – and indeed demonstrated – that from Holts initial position the flashes of the lighthouse appeared much closer than they are; they also correspond, exactly in time, to the voices on the tape saying ‘there it is again, and again, and again’ – exactly five seconds apart, the timing of the lighthouse. Had these people come forward at the time they’d have more credibility; the official reports of the incident show they did not. Given that the story was mainstream news, you’d think they would have?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Caz, read the above; where were these witnesses at the time? I repeat: neither Holt nor any of his men mentioned a craft of any sort – just lights – in the original, real time, tape. Nothing, not an inference, not a glimpse. It was all added later. Why? Now, I’m not dismissing outright that Rendelsham is an interesting case – I have already admitted so – but careful reading of both sides of the story reveals many questionable points. read the newspaper reports of the time: no mention of a craft, just lights, no witnesses reporting ‘swishing’ UFO’s, nothing: why? Surely, as someone with an inquiring mind – and you clearly have – this stands out to you?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
No doubt the attached will be denounced as heretical by the believers and Mr Ridpath, an arch debunker, but it is not and neither is he. I believe it supports Stephen’s stance.
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham.htm
February 16th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Hi Steve T,
“No craft, no triangular object”?, the following is also from the BBC3 documentry.’Rendleshem forest’.
11.55pm Christmas Day.(East Gate).
Sgt Steve Patterson. …..”I turned to Sgt Stafford & said
what exactly is going on, & he pointed over to the treeline
adjacent to the gate & it appeared that an aicraft had crashed, that had been downed, it was, like it was on fire, & I turned to him & said how long ago did it crash?, & he said it didn’t crash, it landed.
(In the reconsruction he’s now at the treeline.)
“About 20 mtrs back from this treeline, was the actual, er,
were the craft sat. It was obvious if you had an automobile sitting 20 mtrs into that woodline light up, that’s what you would see at this point”.
“It was very dark in the woods that night” (states the obvious!)”but, around the craft itself it was light enough for us to er, see er, you know, view an area at least 20/30 ft around it light all the way to the top of the trees”. (He then points to two trees & then himself to describe a triangle shape)
“You know, you walk around them, you look up, get down, you look underneath, looking for engines, are there any engines? were’s the intakes?, what type of landing gear. I knew at that point that there was something, er, that hasn’t been seen on earth before, I’ll tell you that because it was beyond our technology”
February 17th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Hi Caz,
You’re right!, we’ll never change there mind, but, they’ll
never change ours back to the way they think!.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Chris,
I repeat, and you should read the analysis that Gary has linked, all references to a ‘craft’ or a crash were made much, much later than the incident itself; the real-time tape, made during the investigation, makes no mention of such: not an inkling, nothing, they just see flashing lights, record background radiation, and see marks on the ground. There is not one mention of a craft. Why? If the men on that night – as your ‘witness’ statement claims – saw a craft, so closely, you would expect it to be mentioned at the time – in real time – by those on the ground, wouldn’t you? I started out believing that rendelsham was the best ‘evidence’ of an extra-terrestrial craft landing; being very interested in such, I read all the info I could get (and still do); it’s quite clear – to anybody who has an open mind and is willing to look at all sides of the story – that at no time was a craft of any kind observed; just lights, flashing at the EXACT frequency of the Orford Ness Light, as witnessed very often by locals in the area.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:21 am
If that were truly the case, why even bother bringing out the story about the soldier playing a prank with his car lights?? Why do you think Col. Holt and the other witnesses would give a different story now, to the one they gave then? Think about it guys……..Please tell me we are NOT that gullible!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Caz
“You’re right!, we’ll never change there mind, but, they’ll
never change ours back to the way they think!.”
I am certainly not trying to change your mind, and hope that you wouldn’t want to do the same with me (or anyone else); I really do suggest you read the analysis that Gary has linked, as it raises many questions (not least as to why the witness quote posted by Chris has the wrong date, nothing was reported on Christmas Day). Rendlesham is simply so full of contradictions that, once you look closely at it, it is difficult to take seriously.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
For someone so open-minded, Caz, yours is closed where Rendlesham is concerned. You really ought to read Ian Ridpath’s analysis.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Oh Grant, apologies for the tone of my original post but if this object moved at 5000 miles an hour, there would have been 9 or 10 sonic booms as I doubt technology has moved so fast, even on black projects, to mitigate the effects of the speed of sound.It would not have been silent. That’s my last word on the matter.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Guys….I ‘have’ read it! I’ve read just about everything that’s ever been written about Rendlesham ‘and’ other things! Steve, don’t say that you’re not trying to change my mind…..of course you are….and I yours! I admit it…even though I can see the futility of it all. That’s why I come on this site…to see what’s happening and to try and get a handle on things! Yes, we get the morons with their made up stories, but most of the people who come on here are ‘genuine’! Can’t you see how the world is changing? The weather….the wars? It’s all happening so fast now! to be cont….
February 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Caz,
as for….”if that were truly the case, why even bother bringing out the story about the soldier playing a prank with his car lights?? ”
If you look this up and pay attention you’ll find it was on a completely different date, a long way away from Holt’s ‘sighting’….and……
“Why do you think Col. Holt and the other witnesses would give a different story now, to the one they gave then? ”
It’s baffling, but the fact is they did, and nobody who has investigated the case has failed to mention it. It’s worth knowing that, in addition to Ridpath’s careful and considered investigation, Jenny Randles – I’m sure you know who she is – began by believing this case to be the ‘Holy Grail’ of UK UFO sightings but, on careful examination, dismissed it as nothing of the sort.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
On second thoughts, I won’t continue this conversation, as it’s going nowhere! I would like to suggest though, that you guys should check out HAARP if you haven’t already!
February 20th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Hi Chris…..You are right of course! Once you know, you can’t ‘unknow’! Unfortunately, there are too many people who either don’t know, or don’t want to know! You can only do your best, but God help us all when the s**t hits the fan!
February 20th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Hi Steve T,
Re: Rendleshem Forest.
The BBC3 Documentry states in voiceover & type that @11.55pm Christmas Day Sgt entered the forest. Maybe this is a moot point, but, there it is!. With regards the other witnesses I
mentioned (none of which gave a date) I wasn’t aware of a ‘sell by date’ that witnesses can’t add there side to the story, & decide, for whatever reason, (ridicule for one), to appear on camera & recount what they saw.
With regards Ian Ridpath’s investigation, you can, of course ‘pick & choose’ the investigation that suit your theories on this subject, but, that’s all they are just someone else’s theory. I don’t mean that flipantly, but, it’s just an opionon I have about a lot of his ‘explainactions’ of what was seen.
One final point Steve, you said in responce to a comment by Caz “if you look this up and pay attention” that’s a bit
uncalled for, as I’m sure Caz (as do you) pays a great deal of attention to this pesky sugject.
February 21st, 2013 at 8:59 am
“On second thoughts, I won’t continue this conversation, as it’s going nowhere! I would like to suggest though, that you guys should check out HAARP if you haven’t already!”
Caz, I don’t think it’s going nowhere – in fact it’s been interesting and revealing in the extreme – it’s more that it’s not going how you want it to; you want me, and others, to say ‘yeah, rendelsham, amazing, landed ufo/time travellers’ etc when the facts show no signs of a craft having landed at the site. If you#ve read everything about it, and you truly have an open, enquiring mind, you couldn’t help but reach that conclusion.
HAARP: you’re showing your true colours now, with this and the reference to the weather, wars, everything ‘changing so fast’. HAARP is no secret, what it does is well publicised, but it’s power is utterly miniscule compared to nature. The weather – the climate – changes all the time, that’s nature; in the 15th century – and for a short while in the 19th – the Thames regularly froze over, for example, and there were very, very harsh winters. Those things will happen again in time, but it’s just nature. And what’s this about wars? There are no more wars now than in history – arguably many less; war has been waged worldwide for millenia, what’s changed is the way we recieve information. You are now coming across as a new age conspiracy theorist.
February 21st, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Caz, you’ll be telling me you believe that contrails are chemtrails next!
The only HAARP I know stays sharp till the bottom of the glass. 
If the excrement hits the extractor there’s sod all any one of us can do about it, so why worry?
February 23rd, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Hi Caz,
Steve isn’t being honest with you & me that we’re not trying to change his mind, just as he’s trying to change ours.
Steve’s saying, (as you know) ‘look, there’s nothing going on that can’t be explained’, same as we’re saying, ‘open your eyes, can’t you see what’s going on’.
And as you said it’s soooooo futile on both sides.
My very 1st sighting was back in the 70s. A small silver grey ball stationary (that looked to me very high) & after a couple of minutes it looked as though someone turned a dimmer switch to off. Been ‘hooked’ ever since!
February 23rd, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Actually, Chris, I introduced Ian Ridpath into the conversation. At least you’re honest in admitting that you dismiss “debunkers”‘ reports as a matter of course. I think that’s your colours well and truly nailed to the mast. As if I didn’t know already
Tchiaou!
February 24th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Chris,
maybe you’re right, and I am trying to change Caz’s mind, particularly where Rendelsham is concerned as, while an interesting example, it wasn’t anything unearthly at all. As I’ve said many times – and it’s often overlooked – I have seen strange flying objects that I couldn’t explain (and experienced what are classed as ‘paranormal’ experiences) but when somebody trots out the conspiracy theories, such as HAARP and so on, it makes me cringe.
February 24th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Steve….Seeing as the car headlight prank was on a different date entirely,I’m amazed that you don’t find the fact that they ‘still’ used that story to try and debunk Rendlesham rather strange, if not downright ridiculous! As to why the witnesses gave a different story at a later date, that’s something I asked ‘you’ to think about! Oh it’s baffling all right! This discussion ‘is’ going nowhere Steve! The fact that you believe that the global financial crisis, the amount of ‘unrest’ in the world [quite apart from the wars], the extreme weather conditions coupled with the number of earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, floods, the polar icecaps melting compares with the Thames freezing over a couple of times, and that HAARP has only miniscule power because that’s what you’ve been told, tells me that you are seeing the world the way you ‘want’ to see it and not how it is! You are the one who needs to pay attention! EYES WIDE SHUT STEVE! Now…..this ‘is’ my last word!
February 24th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Gary….You too, would obviously rather see me as some kind of ‘conspiracy theorist’ than open your eyes to what’s really happening to our world! I’m disappointed, but I can’t say I blame you, as you’re right…..there ‘is’ sod all any of us can do about it, but that’s maybe only because too many people [like you] would rather live in the kind of world that they ‘want’ to believe in! Why worry about it? I don’t for myself….I worry for my children and grandchildren and everyone else’s too! Sorry to disappoint you, but I know nothing of chemtrais!
February 24th, 2013 at 11:56 am
I meant ‘chemtrails’ of course!
February 25th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Caz,
Nothing – nothin at all – on earth can match the sheer power of nature; this isn’t conjecture, it’s scientific, proven fact. Have you any idea how powerful a single lightning strike is? And how many occur, across the world, each hour? How can something as basic as HAARP match such massive, influential power? You think the world is in turmoil: here’s the fact – it always has been; many more wars (and ‘unrest’) have raged in the past than do now, more adverse weather conditions have been experienced than we see now, global financial crises much worse in commercial and personal terms than we have seen of late have occurred before. It’s all there, for you to read, in history books, on TV, everywhere. I would suggest you start as recently as the 1930′s- that was global financial depression! Tsunami’s, eruptions, earthquakes etc – they’re natural occurrences, they happen because of nature. There aren’t any more now than there have been in history: the difference is we no longer have to wait days for news to filter back from the other side of the world – it’s here, right now, in real time. You wiorry for your children, you grandchildren, etc; don’t you realise your forebears did for you?
February 25th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Perhaps I should enlighten you, Caz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory
Now do you understand why?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:52 am
Chris, sorry I couldn’t get back to you before now, but it was good to read of your first sighting. My own interest was sparked by a sighting my mother had way back in 59/60, when she saw a large silver disc, just ‘sitting’ in a cloudless blue, midmorning sky. The reason I know it was 59/60, was because she had my little brother in a pushchair with her at the time. Her attention was drawn to it by a group of people, [bus drivers and conductors]who were all gazing skywards as she approached the local bus terminus on her way to the shops. She stood with them for quite a long time, maybe 10 minutes or so, until it suddenly just shot upwards and…gone! My mother was a very ‘down to earth’ [excuse the pun] woman, who until that day, probably had never given UFOs a thought! I’ve been skywatching and researching ever since, but though I did see some ‘strange’ things, I never saw anything of ‘real’ significance [to me] until about 14 or 15 years ago! Since then, I reckon I’ve seen 9 in all, though one of those was on a live TV broadcast, so I’m not sure that counts…LOL! It was a good one though and the guy who was talking to the camera, never had a clue what was happening over his shoulder!
March 1st, 2013 at 9:06 am
Steve, I respect a lot of what you say, but I’ll never agree with it, because I prefer to rely on my ‘own’ research which has been extensive, rather than someone else’s! So, apart from anything else, we’ll have to agree to disagree on Rendlesham! However, I was intrigued to read that you too have had ‘paranormal’ experiences as I have myself! Feel like sharing?
March 1st, 2013 at 9:56 am
Gary….I respect a lot of what you say too, but the only person you should be trying to ‘enlighten’ is yourself! When I said I know nothing of chemtrails, I did not mean that I’d never heard of them. I merely meant that I’ve dismissed them as far as research is concerned….for the time being anyway, though I try to keep an open mind!
March 4th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Caz,
Glad you haven’t taken offence; if it wasn’t for people having differing opinions and interpretations we would never arrive at the facts. I am, however, at odds as to how you can have investigated and researched rendelsham more thoroughly than the likes of Ian Ridpath who, contrary to picking and choosing, has proven that many of the testimonies from later years simply do not correlate with those at the time (the sudden appearance of a craft which was not there in the first place being the most curious!) It’s telling that even the most ardent of believers and UFO-logists no longer hold Rendelsham as the Holy Grail of UFO sightings that it was once hailed as. As for my paranormal experiences, I don’t think this is the place, to be fair. I’ll say one thing: I’m profoundly deaf, and have been since a very young age, and believe that a ‘sixth sense’ has been activated to over-ride the loss of hearing.